NZ Idol 1: Debate: Ben vs Michael, who has had more success?

Submitted by admin on 1 June, 2005 - 5:37pm

With NZ Idol 2 drawing near, I thought we could get the debates
about idol going by debating over who has had more success, Ben or
Michael.

This will be a moderated debate - which means that you need to:

  • Give clear reasons as to why Ben or Michael has had more success than the other.
  • Try not to repeat what's been said earlier.

Thanks!

Is it time to start a

Is it time to start a comparison thread between Ben and Rosita?  i.e., Ben or Rosita, who has had more success?  Cause I was watching my old Idol One DVD last night and my video tapes of the top ten of Idol Two, and thought to myself that Rosita seems to have disappeared from sight/sound faster than Ben did after he won :(  I mean, Ben seemed to do HEAPS of public appearances and performances and stuff after winning, but what has Rosita done?!!  :(

Ben definitely, having had

Ben definitely, having had his Single at #1 for 7 weeks and then the Album for 2 weeks, and it was mentioned, at the time, that was the first time in history that a NZ artist had achieved #1 with both a Single and Album.

michael has made more effort

michael has made more effort than Ben with public relations and keeping fans entertained. he is also in the media more!

Yes, completely drunk and

Yes, completely drunk and sleazing on various bimbos.

yeah you forgot to

yeah you forgot to metion frequents strip joints. even chevy has better success than micheal :P

Michael has had more 

Michael has had more  success than ben as  Michael is still around more in the  public  eye than  Ben.

Ben outsold Michael 5 to

Ben outsold Michael 5 to 1.

Winking and pointing every month doth not a success make.

you cant actually get a 

you cant actually get a  definite answer on that as it  all  depends on who you like more as to who you say  hashad  more  success or not and also it all depends on who you hear more of in the  long and  it also  depends on how well their  cds/singles  ect that they have sold.

Michael had no

Michael had no success

HAYLEY ROCKS

michael has

michael has

I think ben did!

I think ben did!

Hello

Hello

Michael is now removed from

Michael is now removed from this...... there is 4 other members in toe..so this is a no go.

I guess it all depends on

I guess it all depends on how you measure success, really ... is success how many album sales an artist has had, or is it how many "public" performances an artist has made, or is it measured by the effect an artist leaves on people?!!  ;) 

MICHAEL HAS  HAD MORE

MICHAEL HAS  HAD MORE SUCCESS THAN BEN!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry about the caps

How is that substantiated?

How is that substantiated?

What success?

What success?

Michael  is  around more

Michael  is  around more and doing more public  performances and he  is keeping  himself  in the public eye  more  where as  Ben  doesnt seem to be  doing  much of that any more as we never here  of  him and he never seems to be  doing   much  performances around the country ( i have to admit  that i am  not a  Ben fan though  so that could be  why i dont hear of  him as  much) and  it all depends  on who you  like  as to  who  you hear  more  of

to be honest ive heard more

to be honest ive heard more of michael den ben.
i reakon dat ben sold more singles den michael cuz da song was betta and michael wuld of sold jus as much singles if it was his.

Michael has been around more

Michael has been around more in the public recently :) That's okay though, it doesn't mean it is "more success", and Ben has stuff coming up including [we hope] a new single and CD.

Wow, a two month old thread, and I swear there is a new post every day. Lol :P

Wow, a two month old thread,

Wow, a two month old thread, and I swear there is a new post every day. Lol

That's because people feel very strongly about this subject ;)  LOL

oh oh i agree luvz i

oh oh i agree luvz i doo!!!!
i suppose people post here is to sort out their opinions :D

(i need breakfast) :P

michael just seems to come

michael just seems to come and go hes been on what now and  he was on c4 a while ago and recently back on what now and  wannabes as a judge  i think he just gets put on more cause he is younger than ben and not engaged and he is way hotter so michael is around ben prob just dosnt want to be we will never no

Ben's not engaged ...

Ben's not engaged ...

truely!!!!!!! ......... am i

truely!!!!!!! ......... am i late...

You say Michael has stayed

You say Michael has stayed in the public eye more than Ben ... but WHERE?!  I haven't seen anything of Michael since ... was it last December when his single came out!  Blank  I would hardly say that means he's been seen more than Ben - I just saw Ben yesterday actually on TV; what has Michael been doing this year?!

HA michael was on TV both saturday and sunday  and why is it that Michael is one of the judges on wannabes after all ben won idol so shouldnt they have chosen himm instead of Micheal but Michael got chosen ova Ben

I heard that he actually

I heard that he actually wasn't a judge after all ... did this get changed again?!

Michael has stayed in the

Michael has stayed in the public eye more than what Ben has as Michael has done more shows around the country than what Ben has done and also new zealand gave ben a title as  new zealand idol last year and it doesnt look like he achieved much compared to Michael as BMG dropped Ben but are keeping Michael which has a lot to say and  I think has a lot to do with the fact that Michael appeals more to young people as after idol he got himself out there and more known where as Ben didnt.... Hope you can see my point (sorry to all the Ben fans on here but that is what I think)

You say Michael has stayed

You say Michael has stayed in the public eye more than Ben ... but WHERE?!  I haven't seen anything of Michael since ... was it last December when his single came out!  :|  I would hardly say that means he's been seen more than Ben - I just saw Ben yesterday actually on TV; what has Michael been doing this year?!

When we talk about

When we talk about appearances, isn't that up to their manager and how successful he's been at his job!:D

yeah but there is no point

yeah but there is no point doing an apperance if no ones gonna go...

and i forgot to mention that

and i forgot to mention that he has been down in christchurch aswell

I've been to Christchurch

I've been to Christchurch too - does that make ME successful!?!  ;)

Ugh

Ugh

yea. but the question is ..

yea. but the question is .. where?

waverley,

shows in Auckland

his video shoot

the edge roadrunners just to name a few.....

my question is answerd

my question is answerd BUT...

whats he doing in 2 minutes. 2 hours. 2 days. 2 weeks. 2 months. 2 years?.......

So, what about appearances

So, what about appearances in the rest of the country?!!  What you've mentioned there only seems to be around Auckland, and so it sounds like he hasn't even been back to his home town of Taupo, which is pretty sad!  :(

Don't forget Ben was

Don't forget Ben was off the scene for along time...Michael is just sorting himself out...know one is a overnight  star it takes time...yes he gose back to Taupo to see his family and friends....

I guess I'm just comparing

I guess I'm just comparing the second place NZ Idol to the second place in the latest Australian Idol, and Anthony seems to have been so much more "successful" than Michael will ever seem to be!  :(

I don't think we can compare

I don't think we can compare other countries idols (top 10) to our own. We're tiny compared to others, and i think "success" is based on how many fans you have (among other things), but in saying that, look at our population compared to other countries... of course Anthony is going to have more fans.

depends on who you like

depends on who you like

um a few months ago

um a few months ago michael.... but now none of them are getting the fame yet! maybe their planing something goood :D

Zit for zit, Michael was

Zit for zit, Michael was clearly more successful.

And they can't take that away.(sorry Ben)

Ben has had more sales

Ben has had more sales

Yes but now they are both

Yes but now they are both gone.

I disagree ... Ben is still

I disagree ... Ben is still at least doing stuff around the country - what has Michael done in the last year?!  ;)

yea. but the question is ..

yea. but the question is .. where?

aww so sorry there

aww so sorry there micahelssexy. TVNZ may put them on NZ-Idol2 for a few shows but after that TVNZ will faze them out to put all the emphasis on the new NZ-Idol2 winner/s

i see.... well that really

i see.... well that really sucks then!

im getting the feeling IM michaelssexy???

Just need to make it clear

Just need to make it clear that not everyone likes Michael! You'd never get everyone all likeing the same person, whoever they are!

But then this isn't about how many people like Michael!  It's about who had had most success in the past year, and as I've said before here, the figures speak for themselves!

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